and principle. >> you need to win elections and how you actually change stuff. obama is not going to sign the repeal of obamacare and i was working for the u.s. senate after the 1994 election, because i thought things wouldn't change if real right wingers didn't go and work there and i remember what happened. things were going gang busters, first republican congress in 40 years, we cut taxes and that gave us the magnificent economy that clinton brags about and yet, that government got shut down in the end of 1995, our first, the republicans first term there. it really, really hurt republicans because it looks like we can't care about the things that-- >> they hung on, they won. not only that, but that's how we got to a balanced budget. >> it hurt us, it hurt us trying to push other things and this is -- repealing obamacare, yes, keep talking about it and putting it in. unless obama signs a repeal of obamacare. >> sean: that's symbolic, that means obamacare will never be taken out. >> no, it isn't. i plan on winning the senate back in two years. >> sean: on healt